However, players must keep some rules of thumb in mind: These ships are recommended in a strike fleet: 3-4 CV. Numbers are most important. This protection is extended to all of the fleet's assigned regions, although the number of regions that can be efficiently protected depends upon the number and size of task forces performing the mission within a. So if I've got stuff going on Pacific, Atlantic, and Med all at the same time, it gets complicated. The USN Sub. HOI4 Dev Diary - New Naval Combat. You might do well to add a single Carrier with nothing but Fighters to escort the fleet - if you do, outdated carriers should work fine. Reply. has someone found the optimal size of fleets composed of submarines? for every mission. • 7 yr. I use my subs for convoy raiding, my destroyers for convoy escort, and everything else in my strike force/invasion support. As a side-note, you'll see your taskforce will teleport around the world to join fights if doing a 'shared' mission such as Convoy Raid/Escort. ), AA and Armor etc. Trade Interdiction. Assign a surface fleet as a strike force to assisted the subs. Battlecruisers are preferred because of their speed. Strike Forces are the slow but hard hitting CV, BB, CL, DD that engage when spotting, escort or convoy raiding forces have found some major fleet to engage. Subs are used for convoy raiding, light ships can also be used to escort shipping and disrupt enemy raiders. For convoy escort, in a sub 2 game you'll be fine with the same shitty destroyers so long as Canada puts tactical bombers up over everywhere the enemy is attacking you - even destroyer 1 and tac 1 will massively outtrade Axis subs. Once your fleet has a lot of Zeros, then the allies are basically ♥♥♥♥♥♥. 5 per yard) x (QTY of naval yards dedicated) / (cost of design) = production cost in days. In the fleet have one CA per 3-4 basic destroyers and one torpedo destroyer. Typically performed by Destroyers. r/hoi4. 5 production per day. Patrol + air superiority + radar will make it really hard for enemy ships to continue to go undetected. There's also the issue of your composition. 3k mark). The game kept showing "This convoy will arrive in the next region. Use the fleet designer providing sub. One can remove these orders by. Submarines are a different story. Later on if you get into a war you should split off at least one strike force and smaller convoy escort and patrol task forces. just use convoy escort, unless its naval invasion in which you do naval invasion support. I generally don’t use convoy escort, so I can’t speak to that. It's been smooth so far as I have taken over Germany, Russia ect. What the Wiki doesn't tell is that this can be improved by doctrine or minister. Ok so just use them on coasts and the Med, thanks the info. Use naval bombers. I'lve been trying to experiment with variants but have been unsuccessful. I believe that the convoy mission will tell you how many ships you need to properly cover the route, however researching the center path in fleet of being doctrine will let your escorts require less ships. A battleship as a convoy raider would be the ultimate raider. Open settings menu. Even better if you're looking for subs in shallow waters where. Old. The escort carrier or escort aircraft carrier (U. I usually set to raid and escort by using 2 flotillas. So HOI4's "cheap everything" destroyer template is actually your quite RL FF. I do sub convoy raid fleets of 20 and convoy escorts of 3 CL and 9 DD, but the big battle fleets elude me. Proactive is going out on Patrol/Strike Force and finding the subs before they can get your convoys. But if you really want to use DDs, 1-2 depth charges, max sonar/radar/engine, cheapest gun. I managed to get them to join one battle, but they instantly disengaged despite direct orders to never retreat. Mines. Invasion support: 2-4 BB, 2-4 CL, 4-8 DE set to med risk I'll throw in an old CV or CVE w a Ftr/CAS mix and pray they figure out what to do. Eventually I plan to have a fleet dedicated to convoy escort and another for minelaying. Is there any math going on behind the scenes to account for the AA protection provided by the escorts in the zone, or will the bombers always get through regardless of how many Light Cruisers I stack into. Extremly costly for medium gain, but if you have the oil, it works quite nice. A single Naval Yard outputs 2. . Once UK had no more oil I moved in and sunk the entire fleet. Latest HOI4 resource history spreadsheet (HOI4v 1. addasher710 • 1 mo. When assigning a fleet to convoy escort duty, does convoy escort duty protect only the one nation's convoys or all faction members' convoys? In the air. A slow strike force increases the likelihood that your patrol will either retreat or be annihilated. Raiding fleet. When a fleet has decided it won't send anything to a particular battle, no changing of settings and missions in the fleet will trigger a reconsideration of the decision. Cost will be ~5k to ~5. TheMelnTeam • 5 mo. From there, put your naval factories on a carrier, sub and destroyer. Now, onto ship templates, but first, fleet composition. You don't have to make fleets for specific taskforces, you make fleets for regions and then put taskforces in to them that you want to operate there. Dragos404. The Mediterranean had a huge amount of convoy battles and they never involved BB unless it was already part of the convoy escort. r/hoi4. Content is available under Attribution-ShareAlike 3. r/hoi4. If you really must, then the HK fleet task forces look like: 1xCL3 - 1xCL3 - 1xCL3 - 7xDD3 - 7xDD3 The CL3s have 4x FPC2 and the best sonar and radar, their task forces are set on DNE and Patrol. As Italy, you don't have to take Gibraltar. Set your stealthy cruiser sub patrols and minelaying subs to never engage, you brawny patrols, convoy escorts and convoy hunting subs to engage low risk, and your strike fleets to engage at medium. Keep them out of shallow water and away from enemy bombers, both of which murder subs. its not that hard. The subs will form their own battle group once it's time and the destroyers will be used for convoy. Make enough of them to have 100% escort efficiency (I'd say more than 50 for naval majors). 40-50 DD. Designed a 1936 destroyer: engine 2, x2 depth charge thrower, x1 light battery 1 and sonar 2… with no torpedoes, no fire control, and no AA Operating in squadrons of 6 on convoy escort. [If you have a lot of oil, you can send out your surface fleet to convoy raid as well. For subs, break them into task forces of 6-12 or so, and deploy them in deepwater zones (ideally away from enemy air cover) to convoy raid. Conclusion. They only went after undefended convoys and never reinforced a battle that was against enemy escorts. 1 Effects of mines. Make 3+ landings at same time spread out and take a lot of ground fast. Most of the leaders like the theorists, the political ministers, etc. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game Hearts of Iron IV by Paradox Development Studio. Last time I played the game, the best way to use subs is: Set them to "Convoy raiding" but also to "Do not engage". In this short tutorial esque guide I will show how the current best way to counter the Axis sub spam, as the Allies (specifically the United Kingdom). I have 2 death stacks on strike force, as well as destroyer convoy escorts covering the entire sea. . My convoy escort efficiency is abysmal, literally 2-3% in most cases and it's crippling my ability to transport resources in and supplies out. Small group of cheap DDs. Edit - Your starting battleships can make a second strike force for naval invasion support and mopping up fights. And they were seemingly built in very large numbers. 0 "lowered screen ratio for navies from 4 to 3". I assign the largest task force as a fleet in being with the Strike Force order. Go to hoi4 r/hoi4 • by. Just add as many torpedoes as you can and organise them in groups of ten or five. Best way to do that is to use tactical bombers. How effective enemy escorts are depend on how high their escort efficiency is, the higher, the quicker the escorts will come to aid the convoy. For organisation and control, the navy is divided into one or more fleets. Hope this helps!Wait untill plan is ready. This guide will explain naval mechanics and basic strategy from the vie. Rookie mistake is to put all your starting capital ships in the same strike force and then add some screening ships. And Jesus Christ, I did not know how good carriers were at convoy raiding. I always build a lot of docks and then modernise the entire fleet in the most practical way by avoiding high cost changes like engines and main batteries. FraggerDaddy • Your fleet is not there yet, as soon as it reaches the fleet area it should go up. S. Convoy escort mission efficiency is purely #of escorts versus #of convoys in the seazone. Set battlefleet to convoy raid in the sea zone. r/hoi4. A 100 plane 1944 carrier will have 10 CAS, 30 naval bombers and 60 fighters. Even then, most of the time lost is spent closing the distance with the convoy, which is something even big sub fleets have to do. 6 Minelaying. An optimal escort fleet is a lot of cheap interwar DDs with gun1, sonar1 and depth_charge1. Go to hoi4 r/hoi4 • by. variants) that can be produced by dockyards. A light carrier is just a carrier with fewer hangar modules (and thus considerably cheaper), an anti-aircraft cruiser is just a regular cruiser that mounts dual-purpose main guns (which perform somewhat poorly. 9. ASW/Convoy Escort task forces are 5 ASW-specific DDs and for the UK, I usually use my DD1s as ASW/Convoy Escort and leave my better DD2s for the surface combat. Naval exercises edit. Note I didn't really mention killing subs. and stop your troops from going through the ocean. I also have 1-2 patrolling forces per battle fleet. Canada's contribution to convoy escorts was enormous and very little recognized. Operating in squadrons of 6 on convoy escort. youngtuna Recruit. I personally like 3 crusiers as that is small enough to lure in your enemy into battle, but will also survive long enough for your main fleet to arrive. Which is primarily given by more ships. Choose a mission for the fleet (submarines, for example, are best used to interrupt convoys), and then right-click on up to three contiguous sea zones, i. 2) The best raider fleet is level III or IV subs with radar because they hide and find things easy enough. A single Naval Yard outputs 2. More practically, if the US is allied with the UK and has access to the Mediterranean ports, it could have supremacy with the same fleet in both the Pacific and the Mediterranean simulteanously. was and is atm. Pray and drop enough paratroopers to seize and hold the UK's ports long enough to transport a ton of divisions across the sea. You want 6-8 per task force, with a ton of task forces. KalenNC. Lots and lots of them, and Heavy Cruisers for Shore Bombardment (as they have the best AA:Cost ratio of all the Capital Ships). Probably one of my favorite parts of this game. I believe since your supply is coming from Constantinople, you actually need naval supremacy in the Eastern Med. Second time I restarted and invaded Norway and the same thing happens again. When you found convoy, the whole task force of both side will teleport to fight each other. Destroyers and a few battleships for invasion support (the battleships will provide fire support to the invasion). A single task force of 12 ships can participate in only one battle at a time. Well it makes your ship target convoys. I would use these strictly for Convoy Escort, as I have found that this mission is a great way to catch the enemy fleet at opportune moments and avoid unfavorable engagements, while also enabling troop transport. 9 Badges. What's everyone's strategy for convoy escort in the Pacific theater as the US? I haven't played a whole lot of the US since. TM1 - improved convoy raiding. For the record convoy escorts are not for sinking subs. Nah I built the right ships. Tbh idk man. Truth be told even if you have naval superiority and some ships assigned to convoy escort, sometimes naval battles glitches and your fleet will engage the enemy while a couple of the. Subs are used for convoy raiding, light ships can also be used to escort shipping and disrupt enemy raiders. The convoy fleet should be something like 20 DDs to shoo away subs. ago. #1. Reply. Area Army =. Hoi4 Naval Meta Doctrine. Seriously though. Naval doctrine allows a nation to specialize the way its navy conducts naval warfare. Hearts of Iron IV (HOI4) stands as an exceptional grand strategy game, entrusting players with the mantle of a nation’s leader, granting them unprecedented control over their country’s destiny. The day or two faster a big sub fleet can sink a large convoy doesn't mean much. Because your surface fleet will be distracting there DD's. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game Hearts of Iron IV by Paradox Development Studio. Level I armor is sufficient because of the need for speed. Sort by: Best. Make no other non-submarine related doctrine research until after you get your ass handed over by the japanese. Escort just those zones. if it's chilling in. Even if the portion of my fleet is VASTLY superior to the enemy fleet that is attacking the convoys the portion of my fleet in first contact will. I get the message as well, and I get it while playing USA with one 1 of 2 groups in the eastern seacoast adjacent regions (Newfoundland Sea, Eastern Seaboard, Florida Coast) on a convoy escort mission. Any enemy submarine fleet can find themselves quickly being sunk by an enemy carrier strike force due to their low air defence. Convoy escort and/or patrols. Escort efficiency How quickly ships assigned to Convoy Escort missions can come to the defense of convoys. 2. 6. Bay of Biscay. Escort groups were a World War II tactical innovation in anti-submarine warfare by the Royal Navy to combat the threat of the Kriegsmarine ' s "wolfpack" tactics. This page was last edited on 16 January 2022, at 17:51. Convoy Raid: Specifically target enemy convoys with the chosen task force. Each fleet consists of one or more task forces, with each task force containing a number of individual ships . If the patrol (which is very wide spread) spots something before the local fleet can arrive I manually take fleet to support the local flotilla / wolfpack in the naval province.